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Ham Radio Licenses in Thailand => Legal => Topic started by: HS0ZIE on August 01, 2008, 08:40:18 AM

Title: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIE on August 01, 2008, 08:40:18 AM
HF RIG's
       Kenwood
  • TS-50
  • TS-50S
  • TS-120B
  • TS-120S
  • TS-440S
  • TS-450S
  • TS-520
  • TS-570D
  • TS-820S
  • TS-830S
  • TS-850S
  • TS-870S
  • TS-870SAT
  • TS-920S (see note)
  • TS-930S
  • TS-940S
  • TS-940SAT
  • TS-950SDX
       Icom
  • IC-701
  • IC-710 - JA Version
  • IC-718
  • IC-720
  • IC-720A
  • IC-725
  • IC-730
  • IC-735
  • IC-737
  • IC-738
  • IC-751A
  • IC-775DSP
  • IC-781
  • IC-7300   (without 50MHz) since May/2016
       Yaesu
  • FT-101
  • FT-200
  • FT-290RII (Version B)
  • FT-747GX
  • FT-757GXII
  • FT767 incl. only 144-146 MHz module
  • FT840
  • FT890
  • FT900
  • FT920 (see note)
  • FT-1000
  • FT-1000MP
  • FT-1000MP MK-V
       Collins
  • 32S-1
  • 32S-3
  • 75S-1
  • 75S-3B
  • KWM-2A
  • KWM380
       Drake
  • R4-C
  • T4X-C
       Misc
  • Elekraft K2 (10W / 100W)
  • Heathkit HW-101
  • HR-20
  • HR-40
  • MFJ-9015
  • MFJ-9040
  • MFJ-9420
  • Trio R599
  • Trio T599

VHF RIG's

       Kenwood
  • ...
       Icom
  • IC-275
  • IC-2000
  • IC-2100
  • IC-2200-T
  • IC-2300-T - SOON
       Yaesu
  • VX-150
  • FM 9012
  • ...
       Alinco
  • DR - 135
  • ...
       Misc
  • Spender

7th update added ICOM 7300 HF rig's 03.06.2016 by HS0ZFZ
6th update added VHF rig's 23.12.2012 by HS0ZFZ
5th update added VHF rig's 03.12.2012 by HS0ZFZ
4th update and changes 07.09.2010 by HS0ZFZ
3rd Update 25.08.2010 by HS0ZFZ
2nd Update 04.03.2009 by HS0ZFZ
Update 14.Oct 2008 by HS0ZFZ


Note:                     
I can find no data to support there ever being a TS920, either internationally or JA domestically.       
There is an FT920 and I know of at least one in Thailand so most likely this is confusion       
from the original list.                     
                     
The FT290 and FT767 are the only VHF radios shown. The FT767 was approved with only the 144-146 MHz module.
Source: HS0ZED, July 1, 2008



"" Original Post""" by HS0ZIE
Kenwood   Icom    Yaesu                       Collins     Drake     Misc                     
TS-120B    IC-710    FT-1000                        KWM-2A    R4-C    Heathkit HW-101       
TS-120S IC-718    FT-290RII (Version B)    32S-1    T4X-C    Elekraft K2 - 10W Version     
TS-440S IC-720A    FT-747GX                    75S-1       MFJ-9015       
TS-450S    IC-725    FT-757GXII                  32S-3       MFJ-9020       
TS-50    IC-730    FT767                        75S-3B       MFJ-9040       
TS-50S    IC-735    FT840                        KWM380       HR-20       
TS-570D    IC-737    FT890                                    HR-40       
TS-820S    IC-738    FT900                                    Trio R599       
TS-830S    IC-751A    FT-101                                     Trio T599       
TS-850S IC-775DSP FT-1000MP               
TS-870S    IC-781    FT-1000MP MkV               
TS-870                FT-200               
TS-920S (see note)                     
TS-930S       FT920 (see note)               
TS-940S                     
TS-940SAT                     
TS-950SDX                     
                     
Note.                     
I can find no data to support there ever being a TS920, either internationally or JA domestically.       
There is an FT920 and I know of at least one in Thailand so most likely this is confusion       
from the original list.                     
                     
The FT290 and FT767 are the only VHF radios shown. The FT767 was approved with only the 144-146Hz module.
Source: HS0ZED, July 1, 2008   




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Title: Re: NTC NEWS Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIE on August 02, 2008, 01:27:32 PM
I got new Info today about importing a Transceiver to Thailand.

It seems that NTC has made it easier to import and no charge  for the License sticker if the radio is on the list of legal Radios in Thailand.

Thats excludes any rig  that has 6m 50Mhz is forbidden in Thailand

When you obtain the import license for your radio which you have to do before bringing the radio to Thailand, you will also get the licens sticker and no need to bring it to NTC for inspection anymore.

But you still have to declare it in customs and pay tax plus vat 7 % so it can still be expensive, Type 10 year old radio in mint condition is status brand new.
 peng mak mak  :'( >:(
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: 17meters on August 02, 2008, 01:58:40 PM
Thanks for the update !   Question, how do I get permission to bring in the radio from the NTC and get the sticker for the radio ?  Thanks again.
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIE on August 02, 2008, 02:42:32 PM
Thanks for the update !   Question, how do I get permission to bring in the radio from the NTC and get the sticker for the radio ?  Thanks again.
You apply at the NTC for a Import license  what  Brand Name, serial number of the radio you want to bring  to Thailand, when approved you have the paperwork with you the next time you enter the country and the license sticker that you also get with the papers glued to the radio and take it to customs on arrival or if sent by mail you go to customs first and pay your duty's and then you can collect your package.
 ::)
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIA on August 03, 2008, 01:25:07 PM
So the 25,000 Baht fee stated in the earlier and now deleted post is not being charged by NTC then?
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIE on August 03, 2008, 04:45:30 PM
So the 25,000 Baht fee stated in the earlier and now deleted post is not being charged by NTC then?
Correct     :)
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand - market values mean nothing?!
Post by: hs0zfe on August 04, 2008, 07:22:01 AM
Thanks, Kurt. But if you can prove you paid say $ 300 or THB 10,000 for an old transceiver, how can Customs charge you its new price? Yesterday I got a 2006 QST at the RAST meeting and noticed the much higher 2006 transceiver prices.

Do they use a tax number for transceivers? Importing medium format camera gear to Germany means finding the correct tax code. Computer gear works well as then there will only be the 19% vat and 0% duty.

Q: Are those draconian penalties like 5 years in jail for bringing in a normal 50 Watts 2 m FM transceiver still in place? Personally, I love QRP but there are not too many mobile units with 10 Watts around. 73 de Chris HS0ZFE (KF6VCI)
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand - market values mean nothing?!
Post by: HS0ZIE on August 04, 2008, 07:54:46 AM
Thanks, Kurt. But if you can prove you paid say $ 300 or THB 10,000 for an old transceiver, how can Customs charge you its new price? Yesterday I got a 2006 QST at the RAST meeting and noticed the much higher 2006 transceiver prices.

Do they use a tax number for transceivers? Importing medium format camera gear to Germany means finding the correct tax code. Computer gear works well as then there will only be the 19% vat and 0% duty.

Q: Are those draconian penalties like 5 years in jail for bringing in a normal 50 Watts 2 m FM transceiver still in place? Personally, I love QRP but there are not too many mobile units with 10 Watts around. 73 de Chris HS0ZFE (KF6VCI)
I cant really answer that but as my source told me they have a list of the TRX that are licensed by NTC and approx prices and then its up to the custom officer to put the value on your radio. But as we know Thailand has  Very high taxes on import gods , except what you cant eat For instance " a imported car can be all the way up to 700 % import Tax "  :'(

There is no need to bring a 2m radio to Thailand they are very cheep and all of them have about 50 to 70 watt output mobile rigs. But the law says 10w so its up to you to use the low power output  ;D
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: e20fwf on August 07, 2008, 12:05:05 AM
Don't forget that import license have validity of 6 months of issue date.
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZED on August 19, 2008, 08:35:59 AM
Hi,

That's a good point about the validity so best not to apply for the import licence until you are ready to bring the rig in.

As you can see from the list only the Elecraft K2 and IC-718 are current radios so for anything else you are going to be looking at secondhammed (sic) and in many cases quite a bit past their best. The TS-940S was/is a great radio but unless you are buying a known excellent one you could be buying a bag of worms, same goes for a lot of the other stuff on the list.

The big problem going forward is that essentially no new radios are being made without either 50MHz or 5MHz capability. I think (but hope to be proved wrong) that 50MHz access or even the ability to legally bring in radios with it on is out there in never never land. 5MHz is another matter as it is under 30MHz but there is no mandated allocation in the Thai band plan and I don't believe import of such a radio has ever been attempted previously. If it were possible to import rigs with 60m on then the Ten-Tec Orions would be about the only radios you could add, I think.

For anything not on the list you are still looking at meeting the NTC requirement of 25,000 Baht and I think a minimum of two radios for comparative testing.

73
Martin, HS0ZED

p.s. I just noticed that TS-520 is not on the list but I think it is an approved radio though I'm not sure which 'version', there were at least three!
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIA on August 19, 2008, 08:59:44 AM
For anything not on the list you are still looking at meeting the NTC requirement of 25,000 Baht and I think a minimum of two radios for comparative testing.
Hmmm this would appear to contradict post #6 above. Where are you guys getting this info? Perhaps someone can post an English translation of all the NTC regs regarding amateur radio.
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZED on August 19, 2008, 11:06:17 AM
Yes and No.

For any radio whose model number appears on the list you should not need to physically have it inspected and tested by NTC. By extension you would pay the paper processing and sticker fee only.

For a 'NEW' radio whose model number is NOT on the list you would be liable for the first time testing and registration which requires two radios and 25,000 Baht.

No contradiction but two different conditions apply depending on the model of the radio.

The two radios and 25,000 baht thing is an NTC standard that applies to all radio products, I have some involvement in doing NTC approvals in a professional capacity, and whilst ham equipment was previously treated differently it is now lumped in with all other radio products.

There are a couple of glimmers in all this gloom however. On the commercial side I have been told that provided a product has been tested to certain other recognised standards which Thailand recognises and is trying to align itself with then it is likely that subject to submission of the relevant approval certificate that this will be accepted without the need to test and pay the fee here. US FCC approval does not qualify but IEC 60489-2, EN  300 676 or AZ/NZS 4583 testing and certification would be acceptable.

Unfortunately I don't think even if a radio had such certification that it would change the import licence requirements of not covering other than the permitted spectrum.


73
Martin, HS0ZED
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: e20fwf on September 01, 2008, 12:54:38 AM
25,000 Baht is type approval fee for the new radio which never been attempted to import before.

now is gone?
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZED on September 05, 2008, 01:35:40 PM
An interesting post but I'm not sure if I understand exactly what you are saying.

Are you asking a question about if the fee of 25000 for import of previously untested radio model has been scrapped or are you suggesting that is the case?

If NTC has changed its policy for amateur radio products this is very welcome, and indeed very sensible for all.

I have not heard this from any other source but it still may be true.

I will check my sources and if I hear anything exciting I will report here.

73
HS0ZED
 
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIE on September 05, 2008, 08:04:56 PM
Hi Martin


Thats what I did say in message 2 in this colum, No need to pay 25000 any more if the radio is approved before.
But still  custom and Tax that can be also a expensive when bring it in to the country
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: M0XDW on September 26, 2008, 05:56:43 PM
 :)

Shame that the Icom IC-7000 isn't on that list, at 52,000 baht for one of these beauties in BKK as advertised on this website (http://www.tenmetershop.com/product.aspx?pid=136) I might be tempted to buy one ..... if it were legal of course.

(http://www.rigpix.com/icom/ic7000.jpg)

It might even have cheered me up after having to sell my FT-857D before coming here .......

73's all de M0XDW
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIE on September 26, 2008, 06:56:20 PM
Same with me I sold all I have among that IC-756 Pro3 and IC-2 KL  :'(

and all the rest what you collect under a lifetime.
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIL on October 04, 2008, 02:02:16 AM
Hello Dave,
tank you very much for posting the link from TenMeter Shop in Bangkok!
Have you been already there and all the equipment is available?
Do you know other ham radio shops in Thailand?

73 from Germany,

Karsten, DL2LAH/HS0ZIL

Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: M0XDW on October 04, 2008, 05:29:33 AM
Hi Karsten,
   unfortunately not yet, although I do plan to take a trip there as soon as possible. There is a thread on this site somewhere that contains a list of websites, contact details, phone numbers and email addresses etc. I can't lay my hands on it at the moment but it shouldn't be too hard to find.

73's
Dave

Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZFZ on October 04, 2008, 09:50:31 AM
Dear Karsten,

well I went there several times already ... and usually they have that stuff in stock ... but these are grey import and you never can get them register ....  Some rig's are officially import with registration NTC sticker .....


Vender / Supplier List     http://rastforum.com/index.php?topic=136.0 (http://rastforum.com/index.php?topic=136.0)

Leagal Rig's in HS          http://rastforum.com/index.php?topic=66.0 (http://rastforum.com/index.php?topic=66.0)




73 de HS0ZFZ

Swen


Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIL on October 04, 2008, 11:22:34 AM
Dear Dave and Swen,

thanks for the informations. I am looking forward to your visit in the shop Dave! If you are there i am interested if they have any NTC registered stuff for HF and/or VHF there. It would be more easier to buy the stuff there than to import it!  ;)
Waiting the news!

Greetings from cold Germany,

Karsten, DL2LAH/HS0ZIL

Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZFZ on October 04, 2008, 05:04:32 PM
Dear Karsten,


Ten Meter  - they have official registered Radio for sell no problem at all .... they have them in stock - if not they can get them within 2 weeks....  all others are not registered but also in stock - usually they do not display them you have to ask for them and then she will get it out of the store in the back .... but no chance to register these grey imports and the NTC ... because

1. Grey Import
2. Spec not confirm with allowed Rig's in HS (e.g. 50MHz / 6m )
...


73 de HS0ZFZ

Swen

Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIE on October 05, 2008, 05:35:40 AM
I did check on new legal Radios on the NTC Webb page and came across this.

5      2       2.1 เครื่องวิทยุคมนาคม แบบสังเคราะห์ความถี่ประเภท 1       8. ICOM      IC-706MKII-T       ติดตั้งประจำที่/ติดตั้งในยานพาหนะ
6      1       1.1 เครื่องวิทยุคมนาคม แบบสังเคราะห์ความถี่ประเภท 1       1. ICOM      IC-706MKII-T       ติดตั้งประจำที่/ติดตั้งในยานพาหนะ

So there now exist a version of The ICOM 706 that is legal to use  ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIE on October 05, 2008, 05:39:50 AM
and also this

03/51      1       1.1 เครื่องวิทยุคมนาคม แบบสังเคราะห์ความถี่ประเภท 1       1 . ICOM       IC-703 (HF/50 MHz)       เคลื่อนที่
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: M0XDW on October 05, 2008, 07:33:04 AM
That'll do for me :)

(http://www.rigpix.com/icom/ic706mkii.jpg)

Now, where can I order one ??

According to the wife (who translated the Thai for me) these are only legal if you are mobile ?!?!?! ie. you won't be able to get a station licence for your home QTH for either of these radios !!!!

@Kurt: can you provide the Url where you saw these rigs ??


73's
D
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIL on October 05, 2008, 10:54:40 AM
Hi Kurt and Dave,
thank you for this wonderful information. It is 1 of the best Transceivers i know. Use this RIG since long time for EME.
What will mean the "T" in IC-706MKII-T??????
They cut off the 6m availability??? HI   ;D  ;D  ;D
Hungry for more informations, HI!!!
Same questions as Dave!

Nice Sunday and nice RAST meeting if your are going to!

73 de Karsten, DL2LAH/HS0ZIL
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIE on October 05, 2008, 02:09:43 PM
I dont know hat they have done, but if you look at the IC 703 it says HF/50 MHz

Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIE on October 05, 2008, 02:16:20 PM
Sorry to disappoint you guys I got this answer on 100watt.com
quote

It legal to use for government organization only. It not allow (illegal) to use in amateur radio service.

un quote :'(
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIE on October 05, 2008, 02:18:38 PM
This is the link to NTC

http://www.ntc.or.th/TypeApproval/search.php
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: M0XDW on October 05, 2008, 04:14:18 PM
It legal to use for government organization only. It not allow (illegal) to use in amateur radio service.

:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(

Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: paul on October 05, 2008, 08:00:35 PM
 I WAS GETTING SO EXCITED  TOO !!!!

 WE WILL ALL HAVE TO JOIN THE  MILITARY
HI HI     PAUL HS0ZIN
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: hs0zdy on October 12, 2008, 05:07:48 PM
Hi all
2 additions to the list

1) FT1000 (without any suffix) This first version is also approved.
2) IC701 (The IC710 is the local JA-version which is what I have and that is the radio that has been checked, BUT the documentation was for IC701 as the 710 documents are all in Japanese. Based on this I think we can assume 701 is also approved.)

73's
Sam HS0ZDY
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIP on December 12, 2008, 04:58:47 PM

OK... I avoid having anything to do with Thai politics, and in this case, I believe the 50MHz restriction comes from the Thai military... but being a crude Yank, I am either stupid or crazy enough to ask the question... Is there any way that we collectively can petition Thailand to accept most MODERN transceivers that include 50MHz?? I promise, I won't listen on 6 meters!!!  :) Really!!!  :) They don't have to make 6 meters a legal band here, just allow MODERN radios into the country. And they will collect a lot more in import taxes from newer rigs being brought into the country at the same time!!!  ::)

Title: 50 MHz - Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZFZ on December 13, 2008, 01:47:01 PM
Dear Rick,

well there is something going on ... :)

The NTC knows about that problem already and they are "thinking" to legalise rig's with 50 MHz include. Our contact (Mr. 10-20%) is working on that... will see when he is coming up with an solution for that.

The fact is really that the 50 MHz are allocated to the the Military and they do not want somebody listen to there conversations ... any way I think they also have the devices to scrabble or decript the voice or what ever is on there ... finally the military even does not use this band anymore and the TV channels also already moved .... LET's go NTC and issuse it to the HAM even if it's secondary! - HI!

Well if the NTC allows 50 MHz on rig's that DOES NOT means they will allocate it to us immedeately ... that would be a wish but we have to keep that wish until the regulation with the rig's passed - Not everything on the same time! - That is too much!

Then the next problem will appeare each new Rig has to be approved because the NTC they does not believe the commerial Manufacture's spec's!
Each Rig investigation will cost round 20000 - 25000 Baht for the Type approval ... which usually is shared by the first 3 Rig registerations ...  - That was in the past the case. I do not think we could get all HAM's on one Rig type ... but maybe the manufacture could sponser it (where are the Ham's with the right connections to the manufacture to get them involved!) maybe for the most common Rig's!!! - But HS is a really rare market!! For this approval they have to get 2 rig's to listen to each other ... - HI!
The next step would be to approve mobile rig's to push mobile operations in HS but then the most rig's have already 2m and 70cm in incl. - that is another step "another page of the book" to pass again ....

Beware of somebody how promiss you to register any rig's ... for HAM operation the NTC registeration number has to begin with 1 and NOT with 3 as for Marine Rig's!!!!!!!!!!!



73 de HS0ZFZ

Swen

Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZED on December 13, 2008, 09:56:40 PM
That's just about the most promising news I have heard on this matter for a long time. Certainly since the majority of radios made today include 50MHz coverage it is rather hard to not force this matter at some point. I think the solution needs to be a bit more generic though other than just including 50MHz coverage. Many radios, even those without 50MHz coverage, include 5MHz transmit capability for the widely accepted 60m band. It is also likely that manufacturers may start to add capability to operate in LF areas around 137KHz or 500KHz as allocations in these areas become more widely taken up. Below 30MHz I think there is less concern and hence less difficulty in perhaps getting this passed but it would be unfortunate to have a situation where the current restrictive coverage approach were perpetuated.

Since hams are licensed, rigs are registered and pretty much every other detail is known it should not be to difficult to adjust the policy to be less specific but more targeted.

On the encryption/scrambling thing. The hardware is certainly in place and has been for a long time but the know how in using it I have always found incredibly lacking. It's easier just to prevent others from being there, or always has been in the past. Perhaps hams could arrange training courses to teach the government users how to better utilise deploy and operate secure communications.

Martin, HS0ZED
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: paul on January 04, 2010, 12:05:21 PM
I think you have the wrong forum  :-[
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZDF on January 05, 2010, 04:36:43 PM
I believe the TS 920 is actually the TS 520.
Title: Importing / customs rate
Post by: HS0ZGW on January 13, 2010, 12:04:25 PM
The correct HS (Harmonized System) Code for Amateur Radio equipment should be 85252016 but it is according to the Thai Customs Website (www.customs.go.th) not applied in the Kingdom. According to the attached picture, the valid duty rate should be only 5 % (plus 7 % VAT). However there remain the following problems:

a.) Convince the customs to apply this HS Code (they might in most cases suggest a 20 % rate)
b.) Agree on a fair value in case of used equipment (they might consider the new price for valuation)
c.) I don't know what happens if you cannot prepare any invoice

I recently imported by post various items from the US. Delivery went smoothly, but I was charged 20 % plus 7 % for all items (including wireman cable, MFJ Noise Cancelling unit, Icom DSP unit). The customs rate was already decided, so in order to pick up the box at the Post Office, I was required to pay the taxes in cash.
Anyway, I ended up paying the same prices as in Europe approx., benefiting from the weak US Dollar.

From my professional experience however I have to say, that the Thai Customs is one of the most difficult state agencies to deal with, so be prepared for surprises.
I am planning as well to take my FT-1000 MP MKV Field from DL, but I am scared to pay 20,000 THB import taxes. So I will think twice.

73's
Uwe
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIQ on January 18, 2010, 11:40:51 AM
Hello,

I recently imported a FT 1000 MP MKV.

As long as you have the Import Papers with you at hand all runs smoothly, well in Phuket Airport was OK.

Expect to pay 4000-5000 Bht most of this is Broker Fee's.

73's

John
HS0ZIQ
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZGW on January 21, 2010, 09:59:44 AM
Hi,

tnx for the info. You just took it with you (with the import license in your hands) and how did it work when you arrived at the customs at the airport. Guess you had no invoice nor HS code?
My concern is, that very much could depend on the mood of the officer....

73
Uwe
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZFZ on January 21, 2010, 05:26:30 PM
That's right all up to the mood of the officer ... well you even have to force "wake" them - HI! - to get your stamp and get rip of the duty! But you have to get it there is no other chance ...

By the way the import licence is valid for 6 month (200 Baht)... includes the Type and serial number if I' am right ...

For used gear (rig's) maybe you should prepare a proforma invoice ...


73 de HS0ZFZ

Swen

Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZJI on March 18, 2010, 09:13:28 PM
Where do I get the forms to import a radio?  Can I download them from the internet?
Where do I submit the form and pay the fee? Is there a place in Ayuthaya?

Larry
HS0ZJI
Title: Re: Legal HF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZFZ on March 19, 2010, 07:33:49 AM
Dear Larry,

well the import licences form I do not have .. they are individually issued after request! - Forms only at NTC BKK, Phaholyothin Rd. Soi 8
(Open from Mon- Fri ~8:30 - ~16:30)

NTC has some regional office (total 8 or 9 offices upcountry) but even they are not handling the import licence for that is only BKK responsible!

Form and Import Licence should be issued at 1st fl. / Cashier 2nd fl..

NTC Location BKK:
Phaholyothin Rd. Soi 8

NTC is on the almost end of the soi on left hand side. The licencing building is if you enter NTC plot that building on the front far right side (just at the corner - front right corner of the plot!)


73 de HS0ZFZ

Swen

Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZGW on November 02, 2010, 12:53:27 PM
Hi Swen,

which details I need to apply for the import license?

Manufacturer
Model Type
Serial Number
Proforma Invoice? (my FT-1000 MP MkV Field is about 7 yo or so, what would be a reasoable value, I assume 30 - 40 k THB, so that would end up paying about 4,000 - 5,000 THB import fees (5 % duty, 7 % Import VAT). Who would be the proper issuer of the Import license?

Where do my mom (who will carry the good piece) will have to declare the import? Is it in the arrival hall, which I could not enter when picking her up? Or is it in the public area?

Tnx es 73
Uwe
Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZFZ on November 03, 2010, 03:36:29 PM
HI Uwe,

RAST has to issue an recommendation Letter which enables you to apply for the import licences.

The import License will be issued by NTC - of course!! (but be aware NTC does not issue them now - it's still flooding until the court decision of the responsibilities of NTC! - 3G Story - LoL!)

I'am just trying to get an import licenses and callsign for some fellows - HI!

Manufacturer
Model Type
Serial Number
Proforma Invoice? not more then 30k!

Copy HS License, RAST Membership card, Passport, Visa, Station license, house registeration, etc. !

of course copies to support or which could help!

well that would be nice this rig is here on the market (registered of course for ~ 55,000 Baht!)

As usual the customs duty are to be declared at the customs! even if she has to force them to get it stamped and pay the duty + 7%VAT - which is quite flexible and negotiatable!! - HI! It's not in the public area! The customs has 2 channels - Green (Nothing to declare!) and Red (Goods to declare!) - of course the red channel would be the one of choice! - HI!

Onces the rig passed the customs it has to be presented at the NTC for review and check-up/confirming the spec's - before it will get any sticker!


73 de HS0ZFZ

Swen

P.S. Do you still plan to attend the RAST meeting coming sunday? well I will be absent but HS0ZEU - Man will be there and he could be your guide to get around incl. the "AFU Stammtisch". I will be there in Dec again!

Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIB on April 06, 2011, 06:23:30 AM
Can someone more knoweldgable than me advise on the current situation for importing a second-hand HF rig that is NOT on the list of approved makes/models, but does NOT have any authorised bands (such as 6 meters), AND has  IEC 60489-2, EN  300 676 or AZ/NZS 4583 testing and certification?

I understand from previous posts in this thread that it MAY be possible to get NTC authorisation without the need to pay the hefty testing fee and provide a second, identical rig for their tests.

I already have a locally-purchased HF rig here for several years, but am interested to operate HF mobile, and a used, HF mobile rig would suit me very nicely.

Thanks

Simon

Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: Teru on February 10, 2012, 10:29:43 AM
OM!


Please update your tranceiver!

DE JM2HBO Teru
Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZFZ on February 10, 2012, 12:38:50 PM
Dear Teru,

I actually do not know what your are asking for this list is up-to-date.

There is not newer rig righht now available which has NBTC  type approval.


73 de HS0ZFZ

Swen
Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: Teru on February 11, 2012, 06:40:00 PM
When I will arrive Bangkok,  Can I work IC-731 IN HS?
 :)
Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZFZ on February 11, 2012, 08:17:14 PM
1. If you are RAST member
2. HS callsign holder  - JA does not have reciprocal agreement with HS - so Sri no HS callsign
3.  Rig import license and have that rig register with NBTC
4. Station license holder

If you can answer all the above with YES - then it could be possible that you can work.from HS!
Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: Teru on February 12, 2012, 07:41:28 AM
Swen OM

Thanks your information.

 DE JM2HBO Teru
Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: vu2kuc on February 14, 2012, 10:42:19 PM
IS IT ALLOWED IN THAILAND WHEN A FOREIGN HAM VISITS
THAILAND FOR ONE OR TWO MONTHS STAY AND BRING IT BACK( HF EQUPMENT LIKE ICOM-718) WHICH HE BROUGHTS WITH HIM.
IS IT ALLOWED?

Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZFZ on February 16, 2012, 09:25:05 AM
SRI!

It's not allowed!
Like I said in the previous post if you can answer the step by step with yes - then processed to the next step!
If not could give you immediated access to "Bangkok Hilton" - for not less then 5 years.

Even 1m 50 Ohm cable without the right licenses - "Bangkok Hilton"


SRI! That is the licensing here - pls review the thread on the forum about the VHF handheld in Phuket.

Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIA on February 19, 2012, 06:34:21 PM
Yeah I think it's 5 years per meter of coax in your possession. Worse than North Korea or any other country in the world.

I am facing the death penalty for the antennas I brought in.
Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZFZ on February 20, 2012, 03:32:59 PM
Well I do not think so - HI!

Do you already got the coax cable up there - well you have all that licenses
e.g callsign, rig registeration and station license we where talking about!

 :-)

So nothing to worry about!


Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIA on February 21, 2012, 01:27:10 PM
Well here's a very simple question that someone as knowledgeable as yourself should have no trouble answering for us then:

-Is an import permit required from the NBTC for a ham antenna (unlike any other country in the world)?

Thanks very much for your answer and 73.
Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZFZ on February 21, 2012, 08:36:51 PM
Yes!

Import of Hamradio ant. - you have to get an import license @ NBTC!

I went 2 weeks ago to BKK airport to pickup an ant. with HS0ZJU.
Customs wanted to see the import permit from NBTC.
No problem we had the permit!
 :)

Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZED on February 22, 2012, 06:54:21 AM
Indeed this seems to have been a well kept secret until recently, certainly seems it was unheard of until about 2-3 years ago. It's good that word is now getting around but here's the question. With the import permit what customs duty was levied? How about VAT? Any other charges, broker etc?

I can't recall now but I understood there was some confusion as to whether or not you could get an antenna import permit depending on if you specify you want the antenna for transmitting or receiving (or even both!). Can you clarify?

Cheers
Martin
Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIA on February 22, 2012, 07:15:21 AM
Yes a well kept secret. WHY? Why is all this information (that no one anywhere else in the entire world would even expect) not plainly available on the RAST website? I took the plan for my station to a RAST meeting a year or so ago and not a single mention about needing an import permit. An epic ethical fail on the part of the RAST putting its own members in legal jeopardy. Especially pathetic since I already brought this to the attention of at least 2 RAST officials. Unbelievable really to be let down by my fellow hams this way....
Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZED on February 22, 2012, 11:55:52 PM
I think there are a lot of things going on here. Up until fairly recently there was very little importing of ham gear, the reciprocal changes, essentially tripling or more, the number of active HF hams has generated a lot more 'business' for the customs department. Whereas in the past the matter of an import license for antennas was seemingly never raised in fact it was classified by customs as something else and appropriate duties (fines) paid, all in the course of getting the thing released. Thailand's participation in the harmonized coding for imports and exports has changed this somewhat and the rules are being more strictly enforced, as the international community requires. These 2 things taken together means every experience is currently leading to a new and better understanding of how the rules are being applied, this of course in the absence of a rule book means that there will likely be a number of more new stories to build the picture which of course changes over time.

Putting this on the web site might help to some extent but there is a risk of it being partially anecdotal and leading to a somewhat false sense of security. If anybody can really get their head around all of the, sometimes conflicting, import regulations it may be possible to be a bit more precise but consider that transmitting and receiving antennas can be imported as different entities, nobody told customs about reciprocity. Aluminum has a different duty rate to other materials, so your primarily fibreglass Ultrabeam might attract a different rate. The number and variety of regulations on the Thai customs books multiplied by the number of customs personnel multiplied by however many emotional states they are prone to can lead to more answers than there are questions. The reality is that even if you want to play by the rules it's not easy to learn what they will be on the day you want to play.

Where a legal risk exists I think it would be wiser to consult a professional rather than expect RAST or any of it's officers to be of much real help.

In addition to Thailand, India, Indonesia, a number of African countries and a large part of the middle East all require import permits for pretty much anything relating to any form of communications including antennas. Sometimes Amateur radio material is exempt, as I believe are morse keys in Thailand, go figure! In others, like Thailand amateur radio is on a par with commercial communication operations.

Regards
Martin

Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZIA on February 23, 2012, 06:59:29 AM
This issue is about a law that affects hams in Thailand, it is not a customs rate issue.

"Where a legal risk exists I think it would be wiser to consult a professional rather than expect RAST or any of it's officers to be of much real help."

Yes that is most unfortunately true in my experience. One would have thought though that the RAST would at least have the basic human decency to point out that a legal requirement exists at all in the case of importing ham antennas, but they have chosen instead to completely ignore the issue and continue to put its members at risk. Shame shame....

Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: k4hyz on February 29, 2012, 08:41:55 PM
Ok here is the info on antennas. This is from personal experience and not hearsay.  You can get a letter from rast (for antenna import) at no charge if you are a member .  Take letter and hs license and 200baht to nbtc apply for your import permit..........

When you get your permit have your antenna shipped air cargo. When it arrives have your shipping come clear it or go to bangkok freight services and clear it yourself (some thai language is necessary).

The fees

1. 1% duty  on the invoice
2. 7% VAT  on the invoice
3  200-300 terminal fee
4 storage fee 100 or so a day
5 if clearing yourself after hours 500 baht customs OT. I recommend going on a sat or sun as it is not busy.  Pay the 500 baht....

Thats about it my total  was less then $100 usd

Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: hs0zfe on April 22, 2012, 12:43:16 PM
If not could give you immediated access to "Bangkok Hilton" - for not less then 5 years.

Even 1m 50 Ohm cable without the right licenses - "Bangkok Hilton"


SRI! That is the licensing here - pls review the thread on the forum about the VHF handheld in Phuket.

It's time to start lobbying against draconian and obsolete laws. Hungry men who stole a chicken were executed in Nazi Germany. ** That guy from Singapore with a FT-60 was not licensed. And did he get "5 years in jail"? No! What gives? There should be some progress and an evolution. Take 50 Mhz. Why not grant this QRG for a few select contest weekends?

Slavish acceptance of "the law" and stating "swallow this bitter pill because this is true ham spirit is wrong IMHO.

Like in the fairy tale of "The Emperor without clothes" someone has to be the child who cries "the emperor is naked"!!

Hs is a wonderful country. Alerting and reminding the authorities of absurd and bizarre laws from days gone by would be in the country's best interest as well.

While I'm no advocate of piracy, these laws are outlandish! These laws are also almost irrelevant in the real world as no judge awards such penalties. Even that pirate was held for long... And all without due process and he had to stay put in some guesthouse without his passport. If this is how such a law gets applied in the real world, it better gets changed!!!
Title: FT-920
Post by: HS0ZLJ on November 27, 2014, 04:40:29 PM
Been at NBTC this afternoon and was trying my luck to get an import license for my FT-920. Unfortunately there is no such thing as a type approval for this rig. They were very helpful and double checked but to no avail. One suggestion was to bring it in for temporary use, but this causes more logistic issues than advantages. And type approval for 20kTHB+ is not really worth the effort. Perhaps when someone would share the cost.

Suggest that the FT-920 is taken off the list.

Cheers,
Marcus
HS0ZLJ
Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZLW on December 01, 2014, 09:03:46 AM
Well we are now in a strange situation, where the notice of July says that we are allowed to use 50MHz and 430-440MHz, but NBTC will not approve any radio sets that have those frequencies for use, which means we can't import and/or use such radios in Thailand.

I too have an FT-920 that I would like to get approved, but despite your comment of having to pay 20K+ to go through type-approval, it would not pass the approval process because it is capable of transmitting on the 50MHz band. No radio capable of transmitting on 50MHz (or 430-440MHz for that matter) has yet been approved. It is possible that some sneaked through during the last amnesty (20-odd years ago?), but I was not in Thailand at that time so I do not know for sure.

Out of curiosity, what are the rules regarding bringing a radio in for temporary use? What are the requirements, and what are the restrictions?

Best regards and 73,

Scott
HS0ZLW
Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZLJ on December 01, 2014, 03:41:51 PM
Hey Scott,

I spoke to that big guy with the one star on his shoulders, they all wear uniforms now. No idea what his position is, but he was the boss. There was no problem to get the FT-920 into the country. He even suggested to use it "temporarily". Whatever that exactly means, I did not inquire further. But the real issue is the type approval and that is costly. If we could gear up, I'd be happy to do that. Still expensive but doable.

73,
Marcus, HS0ZLJ
Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZFZ on December 22, 2014, 01:37:27 PM
Dear Marcus,


well if you haven't imported it proper than forget to think about type approval!

They let the rig in but you will not be able to have a legal registered rig even if you try - only way carry it out and come back with proper documents and declaration at the customers (you need yellow or blue 3 receipt's!!)

http://forum.rast.or.th/index.php?topic=66.0

By the way the FT920 is in the list of approved rig's so there will be not type approval needed - but to be able to register it legal import documents are necessary.   ;-)


73 de hs0zfz

Swen

Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZLJ on January 03, 2015, 08:11:40 PM
Hey Swen,


Maybe it was not exactly clear what I wrote :).


The rig is still in SG, I tried to get the import license @NBTC. The guy on the left checked in their database and the FT920 was not in. Then we went to the big boss on the right, had some talks, they checked it again and could not find it. After which the big guy suggested to bring it in temporarily. I haven't asked further what that was supposed to mean, my bad.


Anyway, the FT920 may be on the RAST list of approved transceivers, but it is certainly not in the database of NBTC. Meaning it is not possible to import it and get it legalized without costly type approval.


73 & Happy New Year :)
Marcus
Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZFZ on January 29, 2015, 09:56:20 AM
That is the problem with the digital century at NBTC which probably started only 5 years ago.
All rig's registered before are not on a record list - that is why you should try to find somebody who has one officially and get the doc's copied - with that it's usually not a problem at all.

The doc's are probably somewhere in NBTC but difficult to find them in all the piles of documents under the desks above cupboard or behind shelves. ;-)

73 de hs0zfz

Swen
Title: Re: Legal HF/VHF Radios in Thailand
Post by: HS0ZLJ on January 29, 2015, 09:37:45 PM
Oh my, thanks Swen. Wie abgedreht geht es denn noch :)


I actually know one FT920. Not official. Not much hope here.


If someone has the old papers, we are 2 that would buy a couple of beers to get the rigs stamped. Come forward  :D